quittin' smoking

[Chris Rapier]

Sort of, but its more of a matter of what this does to relationship
between citizens and governments. Which is a big drawn out
conversation which I would like to avoid because  it makes my head
hurt. I will say, that when you get right down to it, in terms of a
smoking ban qua smoking ban I don't really care all that much. I smoke
maybe 5 or 6 cigarettes a day and I can handle any restrictions on
smoking in bars or restaurants or clubs. Its just not that big of a
deal. But, like smoking, nothing exists in a vacuum and I worry about
the wider political and social impact of legislation like this.

On 3/14/06, Mike Yacht <meatnog at meatnog.com> wrote:
> Actually I don't think Chris smokes, he just doesn't like people telling him
> what to do.  IIRC.
>
>
> - Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pgh-goth-list-bounces at listless.org [mailto:pgh-goth-list-
> > bounces at listless.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy David
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:29 PM
> > To: pgh-goth-list at listless.org
> > Subject: Re: quittin' smoking
> >
> > On 3/14/06, Chris Rapier <rapier1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Of course the point is really that you think other people should
> > > change their behaviour to suit your needs.
> >
> > Yes, you think other people should become second-hand smokers to suit
> > your need to smoke!
> >
> >
> > > As such you feel that your
> > > rights are more 'valid' than their rights. Obviously this all becomes
> > > moot if legislation is passed as rights aren't really anything other
> > > than a legal fiction.
> > >
> > > On 3/14/06, ysobelle at aol.com <ysobelle at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >  > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: pgh-goth-list-bounces at listless.org [mailto:pgh-goth-list-
> > > > > > bounces at listless.org] On Behalf Of Chris Rapier
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:49 AM
> > > > > > Cc: pgh-goth-list at listless.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: quittin' smoking
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See my whole feeling is that if you don't like the smoke you don't
> > > > > > have to go there. Everyone makes choices in life and its really a
> > > > > > matter of what option is most important to you. If going to a club
> > or
> > > > > > a bar that has smoking is more important than not being around
> > smoke
> > > > > > then thats your choice. Obviously, this is just as true for
> > smokers.
> > > > > > If going to a non-smoking place is more imporatnt to you than
> > having a
> > > > > > smoke then that is their choice. Each group respects the others
> > > > > > boundaries and behaves themselves when they made the choice to go
> > > > > > either type of location.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hold on a sec. I'm coming a little late to the party here, but this
> > doesn't quite track to me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Say I want to go to a show. I can go if I want, but I know there'll be
> > folks swinging large meat cleavers standing on the dance floor. I can go
> > as long as I can avoid the meat cleavers. There's my choice.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I want to go to a show, and there'll be smokers there. I can
> > avoid the people, but their smoke will be everywhere. I cannot go to the
> > show and avoid it.
> > > >
> > > > If people can smoke at a venue and not, say, exhale, okay, that's
> > fine. But until then, non-smokers are really stuck. I'd rather be able to
> > decide to go out based on if I want to see the show or not, not if I can
> > stand the audience poisoning the air or not.
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