quittin' smoking

[Chris Rapier]

No, I just think that people should respect each other and not use
laws to bludgeon them into forms of behaviour one group thinks is
best. The applications of this idea are obvious and are incredibly
important to a lot of people here. I'd rather not spell them out as it
will just open a larger can of worms.


On 3/14/06, Jeremy David <epistemology at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/14/06, Chris Rapier <rapier1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Of course the point is really that you think other people should
> > change their behaviour to suit your needs.
>
> Yes, you think other people should become second-hand smokers to suit
> your need to smoke!
>
>
> > As such you feel that your
> > rights are more 'valid' than their rights. Obviously this all becomes
> > moot if legislation is passed as rights aren't really anything other
> > than a legal fiction.
> >
> > On 3/14/06, ysobelle at aol.com <ysobelle at aol.com> wrote:
> > >  > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: pgh-goth-list-bounces at listless.org [mailto:pgh-goth-list-
> > > > > bounces at listless.org] On Behalf Of Chris Rapier
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:49 AM
> > > > > Cc: pgh-goth-list at listless.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: quittin' smoking
> > > > >
> > > > > See my whole feeling is that if you don't like the smoke you don't
> > > > > have to go there. Everyone makes choices in life and its really a
> > > > > matter of what option is most important to you. If going to a club or
> > > > > a bar that has smoking is more important than not being around smoke
> > > > > then thats your choice. Obviously, this is just as true for smokers.
> > > > > If going to a non-smoking place is more imporatnt to you than having a
> > > > > smoke then that is their choice. Each group respects the others
> > > > > boundaries and behaves themselves when they made the choice to go
> > > > > either type of location.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hold on a sec. I'm coming a little late to the party here, but this doesn't quite track to me.
> > >
> > >
> > > Say I want to go to a show. I can go if I want, but I know there'll be folks swinging large meat cleavers standing on the dance floor. I can go as long as I can avoid the meat cleavers. There's my choice.
> > >
> > > Now, I want to go to a show, and there'll be smokers there. I can avoid the people, but their smoke will be everywhere. I cannot go to the show and avoid it.
> > >
> > > If people can smoke at a venue and not, say, exhale, okay, that's fine. But until then, non-smokers are really stuck. I'd rather be able to decide to go out based on if I want to see the show or not, not if I can stand the audience poisoning the air or not.
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